The Legislature also approved a $100,000 appropriation to fight subpoenas issued to current and former lawmakers about their communications concerning 2010’s Senate Bill 1070. Tobin called the subpoenas “an attack on the legislative process” because they targeted communications lawmakers received and sent while doing their jobs. Rep. Martin Quezada, D-Phoenix, said an easier and cheaper way to deal with the subpoenas would be to repeal SB1070. (emphasis mine)One irony is in that both Tobin and Kavanagh voted AYE on SCR1001 in 2011, a direct attack on the judicial branch of Arizona government. That Senate Concurrent Resolution referred Prop 115 to the ballot in 2012. The voters, however, by a nearly 3 to 1 margin (1,446,970 to 553,132) beat back that attack.
More irony lies in the multiple attacks the legislature has launched on the Independent Redistricting Commission, including that one of the issues they used to justify the attempted decapitation of the IRC back in 2001 was the Open Meeting Law which requires all communications, except limited scope authorization for executive session matters, to be out in the open. Discussions about the actual mapping work done by the IRC may not be hidden from public scrutiny.
How many ways have these buzzards thumbed their noses at Arizona voters? Let's not forget last Friday's oral arguments in federal court because the legislature believes the voters harmed them by establishing the IRC; and action taken by the legislature this week toward eliminating the right of the people to VETO the Voter Suppression Bill.
In the video, Andy Tobin says he was APPALLED by the fact that the American Civil Liberties Union would have the audacity to subpoena legislative records. He must not have much regard for civil liberties, except for those of the gods who get elected to be lawmakers, who should not be subjected to "frivolous lawsuits." That legislators would be compelled to testify, or at minimum disclose prior communications, given that they generally are subject to "legislative privilege" strongly suggests this is not frivolous.
Kavanagh was even more indignant, saying the "subpoena is an extremely dangerous thing for the legislature as an institution, not to mention individual members." He then went on a 5-minute or so diatribe about the over broad nature of this particular demand for documents, calling it a classic "fishing expedition."
He then brought out his shiny object (fishing lure, apparently to distract the viewers),
...they have words like "English" in there, and you're talking about a monumental amount of documents... I teach college, and I send emails to my students who say "what courses should I take?" I say English 101. That email now has to go to the ACLU. It's ridiculous...What is ridiculous is that because NOW Kavanagh has the gavel, he can say outrageous things -- make arguments that nobody challenges HIM on whether his logic is at all rational.
Did anyone ask John Kavanagh why he is telling college students who ask for his guidance that they should take English 101? Most of the people in that hearing room were either college graduates or current college students. How much would you be willing to bet that quite a few of the people who sat there silently taking it in wondered about why he had to suggest to students to take a course that is UNIVERSALLY a required subject to get any degree from the college at which he teaches (Scottsdale Community College)?
He also complains that the process is incredibly time consuming. The real BOTTOM LINE here is that John Kavanagh appears to completely detest the entire notion that he has to be accountable for his actions and words as a state lawmaker.
Oh, and there's the "chilling effect" on constituent communications if people realize their emails to lawmakers will be disclosed. John, disclosure of emails or other communications with constituents ALREADY is subject to Open Records Law disclosure. The ACLU subpoena is immaterial to that situation.
So, John, methinks thou doth protest too much.
By the way, on my November 19, 2013 blog post Kavanagh said this in a comment on the Arizona Eagletarian,
The legislature is not a debating society. It is a lawmaking body. I debate the issues on Horizon, Politics Unplugged, Sunday Square off, forums like Saturday's Stand Your Ground one and blogs like this. There is a time and place for everything. We debate bills in the legislature that have a chance of passage to improve them, not for sport or to comply with some liberal equal time rule.No, John, if you allowed actual debate in your committee, you would have been challenged on your shiny object story about counseling students to take the FIRST LISTED REQUIRED course for all degrees at Scottsdale Community College. And you would have had to go on record answering for the inane misdirection tactic.
If the Arizona Legislature actually WERE a debating society, I have to figure that public policy decision processes would IMPROVE dramatically.
However, John Kavanagh's habit of engaging his mouth (or keyboard) before putting his brain in gear IS relevant. In POLITICS, which is what we are dealing with here, both John Kavanagh and Andy Tobin ARE required to answer to the people. Both are found wanting. In this case, wanting one hundred thousand dollars to keep them and their comrades from having to disclose the viciousness of the racism that was underpinning the SB1070 debate in 2010.
When Kavanagh and his ilk are sufficiently sanctioned for their careless, reckless, and (at minimum) offensive conduct, maybe they will get the idea that they should not just do things willy nilly to get over on voters.
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By the way, for entertainment value, at the end of the video clip, Kavanagh gets a kick out of his committee staffer mentioning my name as having signed in to state a position opposed to HB2366.
John Kavanagh had the audacity to complain that for fear of some court case even years after a vote on a bill, lawmakers should have to censor themselves.
Holy CRAP, John! Do you ever listen to yourself? You have said it with your typing fingers and you've said it with your audible voice, that you believe you do NOT have to answer to ANYONE for your actions and words as a lawmaker.
On my December 7, 2013 blog post, Kavanagh said this,
Finally, the ethics of journalism and I assume you consider yourself a journalist, dictate that a journalist have verified information before leveling a serious charge against another. I should not have had to prove the legislature innocent. The assumption of guilt is bad policy in both law and journalism. (emphasis mine)I made (and make) no claim as to my credentials. My credentials are irrelevant. My words stand worthy of judgment on their own.
However, John Kavanagh's habit of engaging his mouth (or keyboard) before putting his brain in gear IS relevant. In POLITICS, which is what we are dealing with here, both John Kavanagh and Andy Tobin ARE required to answer to the people. Both are found wanting. In this case, wanting one hundred thousand dollars to keep them and their comrades from having to disclose the viciousness of the racism that was underpinning the SB1070 debate in 2010.
When Kavanagh and his ilk are sufficiently sanctioned for their careless, reckless, and (at minimum) offensive conduct, maybe they will get the idea that they should not just do things willy nilly to get over on voters.
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By the way, for entertainment value, at the end of the video clip, Kavanagh gets a kick out of his committee staffer mentioning my name as having signed in to state a position opposed to HB2366.